I cant blame you guys for being skeptical, subliminal shop does use too much hype, shannon does have some odd beliefs, and while i wouldnt use the word pathetic to describe the guys on the forum they are very inexperienced with women and it shines through painfully in their posts. I think many are the classic "nice guys" who stand on the sidelines and wonder why they aren't getting any action and in turn build anger and resentment towards women. Its a very dangerous route because its just a downward spiral.
the older journals on the forum where way better, the new guys there now suffer from the sm3 conundrum i mentioned in the first post. they are the guys who need things like subliminals to work the most because they are in a desperate situation but would be the least likely to benefit from them. its like pheromones, if you cant get laid without pheromones or subliminals you probably wont get laid with them, they just give you an edge
i actually think all the feedback on the forum is making the products worse than before as seen with daos or whatever that new attraction subliminal is called. v1 started out decent but then with all of the requests now its just focused on "healing" as if the only way to get laid is to be some enlightened monk
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and guys are reporting even less results than before. Reading the journals of the older products like aura of sexiness and become irrisitible to beatiful women those guys where having much more success and not just "this girl looked at me" but actually getting head snaps and most importantly sex
its healthy to be skeptical but we have to keep in mind most people are still skeptical of pheromones, even if you ask biologists and scientists today they will tell you that humans dont have the proper VNO or whatever its called for pheromones and its impossible for them to work. that gets published in major accredited medical journals and is accepted as fact. I think most of us here would beg to differ with that.
Its probably not a good idea to spring $500 or whatever on the subliminals if your skeptical but as33156 has shared the mp3s from real subliminal here:
http://pherotruth.com/Thread-The-Modern-...rse-THREAD
and subliminal shop has a few subliminals that are free and $25 or so, in fact I think the best route for anyone skeptical to try them out:
1) ephra or ASC for 2 months - free
2) alpha male from real subliminal - free (thanks to as33156)
3) aura of sexiness 4g or become irresistibly attractive to beautiful women 4g - $25 (if you feel the first 2 got you results)
Subliminal shop says you should run ephra and asc for 6 months but i dont think its needed, as seen with the latest product a lot of guys there REALLY struggle with women and other issues in general so they might require long runs like that but i noticed ASC within days and stopped it after a few weeks and the effects are still in full swing to this day. A few who played with the subs from real subliminal also noticed results very quickly so ask yourself where you are in your development and go from there. If you're already getting laid with nothing extra then 2 months should be more than enough.
both AOS and biatbw have better journals/results than the newer stuff so not worth springing the big money for that unless it gets fixed
If you guys want to give something new a spin, download this one:
Its unique in that it uses both masked audio and ultrasonic at the same time so if using headphones set the volume low so that you barely hear the masking audio, if you use it on speakers use the app "frequensee" for iphone/android to see what volume the ultrasonic part of the audio is playing at. Dont go over -40 DB
As the name suggests its supposed to increase your own natural pheromone production, my younger brother is acting as a blind tester for this, he doesnt believe in subliminals or pheromones and gets laid plenty without them but i didn't tell him what its for and since i bought him a mini fridge for his dorm hes my lab rat for the next 2 months
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hes been getting "zombie stares" (dihls i assume) for the past week and his girlfriend has suddenly started "mate guarding" when around other women, hes been using it for a total of 3 weeks. He listens on his iphone with headphones in bed, falls asleep, and then just pulls them out when he wakes up to roll over or if they just fall out he pushes his phone off to the side and continues sleeping. No looping or anything, he just presses play and goes to sleep so some nights he may not even be getting the full single track play. The creator of this sub says 1 play per day before bed is enough for results within 1-2 months.
One more tip for you guys, as33156 mentioned that subliminals should be used m-f with weekends off for maximum effect. I can see why he said that, what i've been doing lately is loading up the ultrasonic track + a 60 minute blank mp3 with no sound in the playlist. So i'll have the ultrasonic play, followed by 60 minutes of silence and then the playlist gets looped again. I'm noticing much better results, no tiredness, and no "resistance". If subliminals do work then it would make sense that your brain needs some time off to process the information. Now I just have my ipod and speakers looping the 2 tracks 24/7, one set in my bedroom and the other set in my office which is where I obviously spend the most time everyday. This is much easier than starting/stopping audio tracks and lets me forget about it and move on.
Id suggest anyone running subliminals to give it a try, here is the 60 minute silent mp3 I use:
My schedule is 2 hours of ultrasonic + 1 hour of silent mp3
If you're using shorter length subliminals you can download blank mp3s from here:
I'd suggest 50% to 100% ratio, so for a 30 minute track either 15 minutes off or 30 minutes off. It seems that the guys having the most success are the ones doing 2 or even 3 runs of the same subliminal, taking time off might be why and in my own anecdotal evidence those small breaks are greatly helping so its worth investigating. Even if it doesn't help it's a huge benefit to just be able to plug in a cheap mp3 player or old cell phone, have it connected to the wall for 24/7 charging, plug in some spare speakers (most $20 - $40 speakers will do) and just forget about it and move on with your life.
That's probably the best use of subliminals, either free or cheap ultrasonic tracks that you set and forget about or that you play 1 time with headphones before you go to bed. Putting all your fate into them or thinking that they'll solve all your problems is probably the worst way to use them.