Post: #1

This was Garry's response to an e-mail from DssMaster, and I thought it might be of interest to others, and should have it's own thread here in his Product Reviews forum.

"Primal Instinct has 5mg androstenone per 10ml bottle. Raw Power has 5.5mg of androstenone per ?ml bottle. PRIMITIVE has 6mg androstenone per 10ml bottle, 3ml of alcohol and 7ml of dpg. So, we know right off the bat that you won't get the same mcg per drop as there are 1000mcg more per bottle of PRIMITIVE.

What mcg per drop ratio are people wanting?

PRIMITIVE - The standard number of drops per ml is 20. However, the Euro droppers that are used with PRIMITIVE yields 32 drops per ml, so a total of 320 drops per 10ml bottle. 6mg = 6000mcg of androstenone per 10ml bottle of PRIMITIVE. 6000mcg divided by 10 = 600mcg per ml, 600 goes into 32 drops equaling 18.75mcg of androstenone per drop.

PRIMITIVE Euro dropper
Androstenone per drop = 18.75 mcg

DIRTY PRIMITIVE has 4mg, or 4000mcg of androstenone per 10ml bottle of DIRTY PRIMITIVE with the same 32 drops per ml we now have 4000 divided by 10 = 400mcg per ml, 400 divided by 32 = 12.5mcg per drop. Copulins is 2mg or 2000mcg divided by 10ml = 200mcg per ml 32 goes into 200mcg yielding 6.25mcg per drop of Copulins.

DIRTY PRIMITIVE Euro dropper
Androstenone per drop = 12.5 mcg
Copulins per drop = 6.25 mcg


Ok, the following test was done with the bulb dropper not the euro dropper. You can simply request the squeeze bulb dropper at checkout, no price difference if you want it. The reason the test was done this way is that I prefer mixing this way. I will have the test done again with the euro dropper and send that information for you as well.

Here we go, there are 6mg or 6000mcg of androstenone per 10ml bottle of PRIMITIVE. The standard number of drops per ml is 20. However, using the small orifice squeeze bulb dropper that we sell, we found 45 drops per ml. Very accurate when counted multiple times. So, 45 drops per ml x 10ml = 450 drops per bottle. 6000mcg divided by 10 = 600mcg per ml. 600mcg goes into 45 drops and that = 13.333333333333333333333333333333 mcg per drop. Just to make sure the math is right 13.333333333333333333333333333333 x 450 = 6000mcg = 6mg So,

PRIMITIVE squeeze bulb dropper
Androstenone per drop = 13.333 mcg

DIRTY PRIMITIVE using the same squeeze bulb dropper has 4mg or 4000mcg of androstenone per 10ml bottle of DIRTY PRIMITIVE with the same 45 drops per ml we now have 4000 divided by 10 = 400mcg per ml, 400 divided by 45 = 8.888888888888888888888888888889 or 8.888mcg per drop, just under 9mcg per drop. Copulins 2mg or 2000mcg divided by 10ml = 200mcg per ml. 200 divided by 45 = 4.444444444444444444444444444444 or 4.444mcg per drop.

DIRTY PRIMITIVE squeeze bulb dropper
Androstenone per drop = 8.888mcg
Copulins per drop = 4.444mcg

Both PRIMITIVE and DIRTY PRIMITIVE contain 3ml of alcohol per bottle and 7ml of dpg. There should be no mixing problems with these ingredients.

I am going to have the squeeze bulb dropper added to the PRIMITIVE and DIRTY PRIMITIVE page in the next couple of days so that it does not have to be requested, it can just be selected.

I hope that helps.

Thank you,
Garry Nelson"

Post: #2

Wait so, DP has less Androstenone than primitive? If anything i would have thought ut had more.

Post: #3

If I've learned anything so far, it is more does not equal better just because it's more. When you add or mix other pheromones or hormones, it changes the behavior of the mix. Ratios are important. Clearly Garry felt that adding cops would require a reduction in -Androstenone.

Post: #4

You're right, I'm actually trying to work on my bad habit of stacking so much Pheromones at one time

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(04-28-2015 8:40 AM)RTBoss Wrote:  If I've learned anything so far, it is more does not equal better just because it's more. When you add or mix other pheromones or hormones, it changes the behavior of the mix. Ratios are important. Clearly Garry felt that adding cops would require a reduction in -Androstenone.

So which one is better in your opinion. Also, speaking of stacking, is it a bad thing that i wear copulins everyday with all Pheromones i wear

Post: #5

(05-02-2015 1:56 PM)kingtut savage Wrote:  You're right, I'm actually trying to work on my bad habit of stacking so much Pheromones at one time

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So which one is better in your opinion. Also, speaking of stacking, is it a bad thing that i wear copulins everyday with all Pheromones i wear

Haven't used 'em, couldn't say. Also, can't really comment on cops. I don't have any products, other than an Ascend tester, that have them in it. I do use the Max-T-150 stick everyday, but I doubt the diffusion is that great.

Post: #6

(05-02-2015 2:02 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  Haven't used 'em, couldn't say. Also, can't really comment on cops. I don't have any products, other than an Ascend tester, that have them in it. I do use the Max-T-150 stick everyday, but I doubt the diffusion is that great.

You do have SOB RTB

M.

Post: #7

(05-02-2015 2:07 PM)moe Wrote:  You do have SOB RTB

M.

True, but if you look at the PXS website, the spray does NOT have copulins listed as an ingredient in SOB!

Post: #8

There was a discussion in the past about this exact fact. Some members can smell cops in the spray. Also, it says cops on some labels.

http://pherotruth.com/Thread-SOB-too-sti...#pid120235

I don't have access to my bottle right now, so I can't go and read the label, but to me it also smells like it has cops.
Perhaps SteveO doesn't reveal all the ingredients on the website or perhaps it's a typo

M.

Post: #9

(05-02-2015 2:38 PM)moe Wrote:  There was a discussion in the past about this exact fact. Some members can smell cops in the spray. Also, it says cops on some labels.

http://pherotruth.com/Thread-SOB-too-sti...#pid120235

I don't have access to my bottle right now, so I can't go and read the label, but to me it also smells like it has cops.
Perhaps SteveO doesn't reveal all the ingredients on the website or perhaps it's a typo

M.

I don't know how I missed it under the "specifications" tab on the PXS website, but it was there plain as day. COPULINS - in the spray AND the oil. Anyway, that explains the stench for the first 5 minutes. I love the smell, personally!

Post: #10

Can't blame you, I love it too

M.