Post: #21

My newest strategy works well. I told my wife I'm done with porn and Rosy Palm (which, I am - the free EPRHA subliminal over at Indigo gave me a leg up here). Since she knows the only way I'm getting relief is her ALONE, our sex life has quadrupled. Instead of once a month, it's weekly. I don't know if she just feels bad, or is glad that she's the only source of sexual anything in my life, but it works - and that's all that matters.

Post: #22

Wow, I would really need to avoid alpha products with that strategy, but you know what, with that extra time, if spent with your significant other it could help. I may try following your lead. How long did you listen to the sub before stopping?

Post: #23

(04-13-2015 12:22 PM)MeltingAsh Wrote:  Wow, I would really need to avoid alpha products with that strategy, but you know what, with that extra time, if spent with your significant other it could help. I may try following your lead. How long did you listen to the sub before stopping?

Stop fappin', or stop the sub? If it's fappin', three days. Quick non-interest in solo-play and porn (alcohol too). I listened to the sub for 32 days, then started Alpha Male 6 - which has EPHRA in every stage.

Post: #24

You can try mega doses of DHEAS.Above 200mcg.Try 300-400mcg.You can buy from pheromonexs, choose 100mcg per spray.
Check this thread:https://pherotruth.com/Thread-DHEAS-EST there is another one but I can't find it.Also another member who used it told me it works.It's on my future plans to test but you can test it first

Post: #25

Just a note, DHEAS is in PXS's Ascend, Exotica, and Evolve. In what amounts? :shrugs:

Post: #26

(04-12-2015 3:10 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  These suggestions are right on - my wife is just like yours. Never initiates, no interest. If I didn't say anything, I'm sure she'd go months without and not bat an eyelash. For us? It sucks!

I get NO reaction with sexuals whatsoever. She reacts to some status products - like Aqua Vitae from LAL as an example. She definitely reacts to comfort products, so that's interesting. It's not a sexual reaction, but she feels emotionally closer, so I'm able to get her into the sack easier when she feels the emotional bond more intimately.

I just started her on raw maca and stinging nettle root to get her some libido. :fingers crossed:

Take her to a health professional - either alternative medicine or integrative medical doctor. Her hormones are probably not balanced. This can be rectified by someone who knows what he is doing. It's generally not a do-it-yourself project unless you are an expert in this field.
Specific advice over the internet is useless. It must be individually tailor made based on blood test results with follow ups to tweak progress.
This will also lessen age related diseases in later life - very worthwhile. I know what I am talking about.

Good luck.

Post: #27

Here's an update. I received P75 (neroli scent) and Turn Up The Heat yesterday. I tried the P75, but the neroli scent is awful (I just don't like musk). So, I only put on one spray. Wife didn't seem to react at all, but probably didn't stay within close enough distance to her to really make any impact. I will try Turn Up The Heat today.

I have also ordered LIIK v.1 (ordered yesterday), as well as GoA and THU (ordered today). If one of these doesn't work, I guess I'll give it up. However, in thinking about this, is it possible I am just not spending enough time in close proximity to my wife for these to work? While kids are awake, we have very little time together. She's in the kitchen, doing laundry, etc. and I'm doing kids homework, going to baseball practice, etc. Other than when we are getting into bed at the end of the night, it is possible that we aren't within 10 feet or so of each other for more than a few minutes at a time.

I plan on making an effort to sit next to her on the sofa tonight (probably 45 minutes to an hour of TV time), but not sure how long it takes for the Pheromones to "kick in." Also, are some of these Pheromones strong enough to affect her as she sleeps? She often is asleep before the kids, so that cuts our time together down quite a bit.

Post: #28

(04-13-2015 11:53 AM)RTBoss Wrote:  My newest strategy works well. I told my wife I'm done with porn and Rosy Palm (which, I am - the free EPRHA subliminal over at Indigo gave me a leg up here). Since she knows the only way I'm getting relief is her ALONE, our sex life has quadrupled. Instead of once a month, it's weekly. I don't know if she just feels bad, or is glad that she's the only source of sexual anything in my life, but it works - and that's all that matters.

I want to do exactly that. About 6 weeks or so ago I went no-porn/no-fap. She is dealing with a change in my behavior as far as sexual interest goes. I haven't had the opportunity to have this conversation but I will.

I'm 44 and while not quite in the ED zone I had a few less than stellar performances, if you know what I mean. I got checked out and the doctor confirmed that I'm healthy and that any issues I might be having are not physical (i.e. it's all psychological.) Well in this process I learned that Rosey Palmer is not my friend, nor is porn. I won't go into that here (anyone feel free to PM if they want to know more.)

As a result things improved a lot. I even got Cialis to try out making me like a 19 year old rockstar to the point where we had great sex enough times that I don't even need the stuff anymore. The expectation of a great time is back, performance anxiety is gone, performance is back to great, and we've had more sex.

I think communicating this would go a long way to setting expectations. One of my problems right now is that I'll make a move and she seems almost blindsided because she wasn't picking up on my signals. Maybe she'll be looking at those signals more.

Post: #29

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)TNHusband Wrote:  Here's an update. I received P75 (neroli scent) and Turn Up The Heat yesterday. I tried the P75, but the neroli scent is awful (I just don't like musk). So, I only put on one spray. Wife didn't seem to react at all, but probably didn't stay within close enough distance to her to really make any impact. I will try Turn Up The Heat today.

I have also ordered LIIK v.1 (ordered yesterday), as well as GoA and THU (ordered today). If one of these doesn't work, I guess I'll give it up. However, in thinking about this, is it possible I am just not spending enough time in close proximity to my wife for these to work? While kids are awake, we have very little time together. She's in the kitchen, doing laundry, etc. and I'm doing kids homework, going to baseball practice, etc. Other than when we are getting into bed at the end of the night, it is possible that we aren't within 10 feet or so of each other for more than a few minutes at a time.

I plan on making an effort to sit next to her on the sofa tonight (probably 45 minutes to an hour of TV time), but not sure how long it takes for the Pheromones to "kick in." Also, are some of these Pheromones strong enough to affect her as she sleeps? She often is asleep before the kids, so that cuts our time together down quite a bit.

I've had my products for 2 days.
Night 1 - I used Grail of Affection. I was hoping to initiate some intimacy see if I could get her to simply pay attention to me. I got nothin'. Admittedly she wasn't feeling great as we've both been coming off some kind of minor cold with a mild dry cough (weird one.) When she she's not feeling 100%, of course she has almost negative interest in any intimacy.
I'd say "fine, when not at max health.. hands off" but when you have a 4 year old kid that goes to day-care part-time, someone has some kind of bug at least every other week. I've come to really appreciate and take full advantage of those days when (1) no one is sick, (2) her back or body isn't hurting, (3) she isn't complaining about super sore muscles from running, (4) isn't super exhausted.
Even then when it's physical pain I try to work in a massage which can lead to sex half the time. Nothing works better than two drinks, a massage, or both.
OK, so we're in bed watching TV after the kid finally goes to sleep and GOA did nothing for me despite even with me trying to get her attention.
However, I think it might have affected my daughter. My 4 year old daughter got unusually emotional and very clingy. She asked me to not go to work the next day. Could it be GOA? Possibly. But she's 4 and stuff like this isn't unexpected.
Still, GoA had no apparent affect on my wife despite minor effort on my part. Nothing like people describe

Night 2 - I used L2K (v1). I was out most of the evening. She put the kid to bed and I got home at 9. She was drinking a beer. I'm thinking "YAY! A drink! Maybe she wants sex!"
Nothin. She finished her beer, brushed her teeth, and before I know it she's in bed talking about how tired she is and how excited she is to get some solid sleep tonight. She throws on her eye mask, ear plugs, and mouth guard (super sexy /s) shutting out the world after saying good night without even a kiss. It's over, dude! I didn't even get the usual hug or cuddle just before checking out.
Now I didn't make a play for her. I did hang with her right after I got home while she she finished watching something stupid on TV finishing her beer (20 mins) until it was over and she made b-line to brushing and getting to sleep. I devoted my full attention to her while sitting with her on the bed. If she was to get any hit or was in the mood for anything from the drink, she gave me 0 openings. Usually the opening is even 2 seconds of eye contact which is all I need to make a move.
I was hoping for her to have even a minuscule reaction to the one and just take a little notice to me.
It's clear that she had her mind made up about how the night would play out before I even got home and followed the playbook.
It's just funny that I hear people talk about how wild L2K makes women wild and mine, despite a drink, acted completely unaffected.

So WTF. It's clear that I don't know what I'm doing. If I never read these forums I'd be thinking this stuff is working against me.

But I'm not giving up. I clearly need a game plan. While I want to wear intimate stuff while just hanging out to see if she gets a hit and softens up a bit, maybe getting a slight emotional response or desire for a little attention or intimacy, I don't now if that's going to work unless everything is just-right.

Clearly I'm trying to fight uphill here with mones as opposed to using them to enhance an already positive situation to close the deal.
So new plan is:
1) Mones are to be used when I'm already making positive progress for an evening of sex and/or intimacy. Use them to enhance the situation with the hope that she'll want to come back for more in a few days. Maybe something bonding or emotinoal could do this.
2) Maybe I need to use something Alpha when pursuing her. I know that she prefers to be dominated or "taken" and is usually in that mood when she's a little drunk. Maybe I need to lay on a alpha-sexual mone, get her drunk, and be aggressive.

Repeat experiences open the door for more. More and more frequent encounters lead to more frequent encounters.
My problem is that someone gets sick or hurt, there's a two week dry spell, then it's apparently difficult spark that back up like I'm starting all over. I was hoping GoA or L2K would be a good to use to encourage interest in making an night and maybe it will yet.

Also I wonder if sexual one like Evolve will simply "get her panties" wet and open the door for me. Everyone says Evolve does that to women. Involuntary panty leakage is something I can work with

I thought I had my plan all figured out but mones just don't work the way I thought they would. I expected some kind of reaction or slight modification of behavior but I might as well be wearing rubbing alcohol.

I'll keep it up and let you know if anything works for me. Meanwhile I have to try to figure out what to try next.

Products I have:
L2K v1 - To be sexually approachable
Grail of Affection - To get attention
Bliss, Cohesion, and Evolve (I got the B.C.E. Combo. I may use E alone or a combination of 2/3.)
Xist - I'm not sure why. I thought maybe it could be useful for inducing that new-relationship/starting over spark.
Oxytocin - Long story but I have a theory here. Using this during sex and orgasm for a bonding and love.
Certo - Is on it's way in the mail. It's another relationship/intimate thing.

Evolve is the only thing I have that's really sexual. I'm considering getting New Pheromone Additive or similar for that pure-sexual dominant male thing. I'm wondering if maybe things are too comfortable and she needs that feeling of a strange alpha-dominant man to mix things up.

I'm all over the place here.

Post: #30

Whitenoise: Try Xist and evolve together! See what happens then. You have sprays or oils?