Post: #11

(07-28-2011 6:56 PM)kmacc45 Wrote:  Thanks guys, I went with Estratetraenol. Wingman Black has really got this feel good thing going on.My reading leads me to the Conclusion that Estratetraenol is the vehicle.

Yep. It's the EST.

Post: #12

Quote:1.) It is too heavy to be volatile.
2.) Oxytocin is not excreted to the surface of the body.
3.) There are no receptors for Oxytocin on the neurons that make up the pheromone-sensing nerves in the noses of mammals.
4.) Oxytocin is a neurotransmitter, not a neuromodulator.

1.) That could be an argument, I'm also sceptical about that so it would be interesting if real oxytocin and not small oxytocin receptor agonists would be able to work on that!

2.) Meanwhile a big number of mones we using are not excreted on skin or completly synthetic and they are working!

3.) and 4.) I think for most of the substances we use, even for PEA or DMAA there aren't specific receptors in the nose and the working very strong! PEA also directly acts as a neurotransmitter!







@ Johnny Hard

Have you tried it as a single molecule or in a mix?

Btw has anybody tried oxytocin as single molecule! And can descirbe for sure that it's working even with that high molecular weight?!

Post: #13

(08-13-2011 6:35 AM)XPX Wrote:  2.) Meanwhile a big number of mones we using are not excreted on skin or completly synthetic and they are working!

I'm pretty sure DMAA is the only non-endogenous substance anyone here has reported on, and I don't know that it's ever been tested for social effects. All the rest are endogenous and excreted on the skin and/or in the urine.

Post: #14

(08-13-2011 6:35 AM)XPX Wrote:  @ Johnny Hard

Have you tried it as a single molecule or in a mix?

Btw has anybody tried oxytocin as single molecule! And can descirbe for sure that it's working even with that high molecular weight?!

Only in a mix.

Post: #15

(08-13-2011 9:36 AM)dbot Wrote:  

(08-13-2011 6:35 AM)XPX Wrote:  2.) Meanwhile a big number of mones we using are not excreted on skin or completly synthetic and they are working!

I'm pretty sure DMAA is the only non-endogenous substance anyone here has reported on, and I don't know that it's ever been tested for social effects. All the rest are endogenous and excreted on the skin and/or in the urine.

Yes your right their endogenous but most of them are neurosteroids or neuromodulators which are found in brain like PEA, allo Pregnanolone, oxytocin, th-doc etc. and I have never heard that they are found in sweat, urine or on skin! Androstenetrione seems to be completly synthetic in this molecule configuration which is found in the supplements! It's also a suicide inhibitor of aromatase and suicide inhibitors are never endogenous!


And we found that many of them are working, I'm pretty sure that also Oxytocin could work if it is not to heavy to fly!

It would be nice to here if anybody tested it on it's own perhabs it could fly, I don't know!

Post: #16

Ah good point about trione. Now that I think about it Chris' hybrid androstanol is probably not endogenous either. But, just like with drugs, if its close enough to bind with a receptor it'll do something!

Regular Liquid Trust has no other ingredients than Oxytocin. I haven't used it but many here have. I think the reports I've read about it have been something like 60% does nothing, 40% works awesome.

Post: #17

(08-13-2011 8:46 PM)XPX Wrote:  It would be nice to here if anybody tested it on it's own perhabs it could fly, I don't know!

Post: #18

BUMP

The riddle of OXY.

I've read so many conflicting reports, even in this thread alone, about the efficacy of OXY. I really want to peg this one down.

We know its heavy as hell, but if it did not work at all there would be no market for it and no discussion.

Anyone have any OXY driven products they can comment on positive or negative?

Post: #19

I'm a long time user of Liquid Trust !

it clearly works for me ... it's pretty good on elder people .. they really like you with that stuff on ..

no buffering qualities ... etc ..

it does what it stands for ... People trust you more ...

but they do not like you more !

self effects .. when i use it rarely ... slight mood elevation ..

when i use it regularly .. nearly no self effects ..

Pago

Post: #20

Awesome thx Pago. I just looked it up on the Love Scent website. It mentions nothing about ingredients.

So Im curious Is it a pure oxy product or do you think maybe they mixed some other goodies in it too?