Post: #21

(01-18-2012 12:30 AM)Curiosity Wrote:  Any idea as to why pheromones work then? Or are we all crazy? hehe

No idea on the VNWateva, but one thing is certain: We are all crazy!

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(01-18-2012 12:30 AM)Curiosity Wrote:  Any idea as to why pheromones work then? Or are we all crazy? hehe

I have posted somewhere in the forum a research that shows the VNO is not necessary for the brain to receive stimuli from pheromones. They can be detected through the ordinary, functioning respiratory system.

As much as TL goes, sounds like it should be used like cops: only on special occasions.

Thanks for the advice, LebronJames.

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A big thank you to all the guys who came forward to relate their experiences here and to everyone else for their other insights.

Post: #24

Very interesting thread - I am now aware that the same set of effects has occurred from 3-5 days per week consistent use of TL since the Xmas sale!

Now another item of interest : is everyone who is suspecting TL-induced symptoms described in this thread in the northern hemisphere? I'm wondering if the lowered daylight of winter is involved as well? It would be interesting to see if any of our southern hemisphere folks are NOT experiencing this?

There may be something that would aggravate an episode of Seasonal Affective Disorder from lack of UV and lowered levels of sunlight-produced vitamins.

Anyone in northern hemisphere using TL regularly and NOT experiencing these effects and going to a tanning booth regularly?

Just some thoughts...

Post: #25

Once my TLs arrive, i can test and report that.

Post: #26

We still need testing and I'll let you know how I feel in a few days. Just for the record, it's not my feeling that the meo ( or some combo) causes phsyiological chances in the male that decreases the sex drive. I think it's the prolonged use of meo (>3-5 days) that just relaxed one to the point of general disinterest.

On the other hand, I have taken mones that explode my mojo consistently. I thing people are having success mixing thoso "mojo" mones like AV and AM with TL and cruising right along.

I'll be saving my TL to add to those none mixes for the evening. I'll bring in a togo and use as a state dependant mone to use on occaision.

Post: #27

(01-18-2012 5:22 AM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  Deja you nailed it down ...

Guy's i know because of using mones and looking for reactions we have become very sensitive to what happens with us and what happens around us ...

let me tell you something about me ..

i've been suffering that last half year from some kinda allergy and no doc was able to tell what caused the shit ...

first i thought it could have been some pollen from grass or from trees .. but winter approached and i still had that problems .

next i thought it could be mones .. or the scent with mones ... did vary my products and even after taking a week off there was no effect ..

I really wondered what it could be and had no idea ..

then i started to try to loose a few pounds and changed my diet ... i stopped to eat salami and half smoked sausage ( hey we here in Bavaria have some fantastic stuff )

( mostly fruits and vegetables and white meat ... good diet that works )

And DANG there it was ... the allergy nearly vanish and i've became much more lifely and energetic again ( ah yeah .. sex drive improved as well )

must be some stuff they put into food that causes the allergy ...

Just to show you guy's that not all is related to mones ;)

Pago

If I can relate it to my daily TL experience; there's little unknown in my lifestyle since my habits are crystallized. I've been training 6 times a week, eating 300-350 grams of proteins per day and monitoring my alcool for the last 10 years so there's no volatility in my life since there's so much stability.

With those stable conditions, I'm really able to easily detect if there's something wrong.

Methoxyestratetraenone converts to estrogen, this is a sure thing. I was using 6 sprays daily of TL for the last 2 months, estrogen buildup occur and I got estrogen side related effects and by then, the correlation between TL and the side effects was easy to pinpoint.

I did not want to take TL down since I maintain that this is a great product and that you will achieve great result with women, but I don't suggest you use it on a daily basis.

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I've always urged caution with Methoxyestratetraenone because it is definitely an estrogenic compound. When I administer it to the skin I can feel the effects of absorption within 15 minutes.

Sometime I might try building a little pocket diffusion pack for it out of a hand-warmer. There should be no estrogenic effect without absorption through the skin.

Post: #29

LOL!

Post: #30

Moderation is probably key. Dont forget est is in here. 5 sprays is a lot of everything.

This is from p7 forum

I know a lot of us love EST, the way it turns our rager into a loving kitten, and how it induces our guys to really take care of us.

But have you ever wondered why when you get so much cuddling on EST, it often doesn't lead where you'd like it to go?

If you use too high concentration of EST as a pheromone he will feel really good, but it will drop his libido way down.

Estratetraenol causes the hypothalamus to dump oxytocin into the blood stream and into the surrounding intracellular space of the hypothalamus, specifically the preoptic areas and the nucleus accumbens. Both oxytocin and dopamine bind to the same receptors in these areas.

A little oxytocin is necessary for orgasm. Too little oxytocin and no orgasm can be achieved. Too much oxytocin and he doesn't want to bother because he feels so satiated and satisfied.

Dopamine is necessary for desire. If you block the receptors for dopamine with too much oxytocin he will have no desire.

So there has to be a balance here between oxytocin and dopamine, and the pheromones that influence the the release of these neurotransmitters. So if you are using EST, use it sparingly... if you want to use it successfully to improve your love life.

Diane


Reference: Dopamine and male sexual function. Giuliano F, Allard J. Groupe de Recherche en Urologie, UPRES, EA 1602, Medical University of Paris South, Le Kremlin-Bicetre, France. Eur Urol 2001 Dec;40(6):601-8