Post: #21

I'll just use your own comments:
"This feeling of being stoned. Literally."
"Seriously, I had to go wash this stuff off. Whatever it's doing, is powerful."
and
"Yea, it zoom, zoom, zoom It scary stuff, and yes it did me just like its doing you."

ie amphetamines

Well it is serious stuff and the FDA should get involved in this industry and make vendors
put ingredients on their labels. Many other countries do.

Post: #22

Just because something ends with -amine doesn't mean it's like meth.

The reason I think some of the -amines will have phero-like reactions is that some are the same structure as known Pheromones except the -OH is replaced with an -NH2. That NH2 makes it an -amine.

There are a lot of -amines and some of them will give phero-like reactions. Really, just look at the structure.

Post: #23

@Pheroman - Dude, spray yourself with a dozen mcgs of straight androstenone and see if you don't get some powerful reactions. All we've determined is that the stuff is strong.

Post: #24

This stuff is used by some bodybuilders for more focus during workouts.

Dbot, did you spray PEA on your skin or on your clothing?

Post: #25

(06-16-2011 8:16 AM)xxx Wrote:  This stuff is used by some bodybuilders for more focus during workouts.

Dbot, did you spray PEA on your skin or on your clothing?

@dbot
I'm still thinking you got the PEA mixed up with the Dime.

Post: #26

@xxx - On the skin. But remember guys, we're talking micrograms. Bodybuilders are ingesting 1000 times the quantity. So even if it absorbed through the skin, it wouldn't produuce a comparable physiological reaction.

@Kmacc - You may be right, I'll try the one I have labeled as the dime. But this one doesn't really make me feel speedy, it makes me feel stoned.

Post: #27

Theres a reason i use minimal amounts, and thats because i never needed or used,smoked, ingested any chemical substance for my mood.
And I feel no obvious positive self effects from any products i have used.
I tend to almost always be relaxed and positive because thats the way i decided to make myself be a long time ago.
I am in charge of my mood, always was.
Sometimes I want to play king, other times knight or jester.
I also tend not to use pharmaceuticals that contain barbiturates or opiates as none of them improve my mood.
And you never know who you may come in contact with while dispensing anphetamine fumes.
What you do to yourself is your own matter.

Jaycee if you girl a girl drunk enough then she may get horny. So alcohol is also "give phero-like reactions".
If i put an Ecky tab in someones gfs/sister/wife drink and she says yes to sex, then eckys also "give phero-like reactions" and like me more.
Theres a big difference, they are not pheromones.

Post: #28

I don't know how many different ways we can distinguish between amphetamine drugs and natural amines for you, Pheroman. You can't give off "amphetamine fumes" and get people high. It just doesn't work that way.

I've done my share of drugs, including a variety of different classes of drugs which are administered intranasally. People do snort methamphetamine, in milligram doses. A microgram dosage would do little or nothing. What we're dealing with here is something different.

I described the effects as "drug-like" because I do have a frame of reference for what that means and other people who have had drug experiences will as well. But these are not illicit drugs. The mechanisms are all different.

Post: #29

Okay, I went back to my original concentrates and re-mixed fresh sprayers of PEA and DMAA to make sure I had them right.

I tested self-effects at 2.5 1.25mcgs, by spraying the solution onto a tissue and sniffing from it in order to allay any concerns about absorption through the skin. Notes:

- self-effect reminds me of p74 in a way
- relaxation, inward focus
- enhanced appreciation of music
- attention feels more diffuse
- pleasant awareness of body sensations
- feels like it may be stimulating endogenous endocanniboid release
- effects remained for some time after exposure

The effects at this dosage felt similar in quality to those I described at the higher dose, but much less drastic.

Post: #30

(06-16-2011 10:52 AM)dbot Wrote:  @xxx - On the skin. But remember guys, we're talking micrograms. Bodybuilders are ingesting 1000 times the quantity. So even if it absorbed through the skin, it wouldn't produuce a comparable physiological reaction.

@Kmacc - You may be right, I'll try the one I have labeled as the dime. But this one doesn't really make me feel speedy, it makes me feel stoned.

Trans-dermal Application is usually more effective then oral ingestion thus small amounts could be potent. A better way to test putative pheromones is to spray them on an object such as a shirt or necklace that is close to you.