They don't sell the P75 at $9999, if I'm not wrong, when a customer actually places such an order they give them a ring and tell them not to buy it. I think if the customer still wants to buy it at $9999, what the heck, they've done a darn good job at convincing someone to part with their money, and I'd be "whoa shit, thumbs up, someone actually bought $9999 worth of product, he must really want it that bad". I'd like to get to know the guy too, he'd probably be really badass or at least having dollar bills fly out at every turn of the hand, maybe he'll be willing to throw some in my direction
Fair is a relative concept. For the reporting users, P75 might seem to be fair, for those who've "earned" their "right" to purchase P75, that might be fair. In blue eyed terms view it as a company rewarding its loyal customers with access to a rare an expensive high quality hard to produce results, in marketing perpective - In simple terms, look at it as if its a carrot. In complex terms its a form of psychological gratification, being able to access and tap on an "exclusive" product, aka the limited editions etc
Point blank, I'd be a dumbo to buy it at $9999, and believe me before I do blow that kind of money on a putative, my good buds will brave high hell and water to stop me from going madcap, just like how they prevented me from going on a crazy ass bank busting spree after arriving here (heheh thanks guys)
As for the P86 alternative, I'm on the look out. Lol. I believe several members here have received pm's from me asking about it
For AD I don't foresee them getting bankrupt in the long term (I might be wrong, but at least logically, logically to me). Reading post after post on how they had issues with their supply chain as well as lack of control,have more of what was necessary. Well that left me a little worried and felt a sincere need to stockpile on any putatives or MXs I loved. Instead of thinking that they were unreliable, I felt the urgency. I paniced for a while when Instant Gentleman went out of stock (I do stockpile and that's money spent on my side, I'm a consumer and I do get affected by the noise and whispers, sometimes only realising too late... Oh shit, I didn't need this actually but I think I'm satisfied that I got a little extra of that other) And to be honest I did lose a certain amount of trust in them after coming here and reading about copulin gate. I then saw Jasmine's approach as a possible spin to come across as sincere and earnest, story or not there was an image and position the company was taking. The direction of their company now seems to be changing, into what? I don't know. I've discussed this with some company neutral friends both online and offline and we've agreed that as long as change is good and we see good things happening (price, effective product offerings and possible policies we might like), we won't complain, or at least not much, we'll wait and see and concerning repute they've got to continue proving themselves that we can buy and trust their products.
To quote someone I look up to and respect alot, he told me this "All I can tell you is that what this company puts out is good, and while I don't agree with some of their policies and past dealings, it doesn't make them bad at all. No one is perfect, they try and that's good enough for me." You might disagree with this statement, I don't entirely agree but I agree with the spirit of "they try" or at least in my eyes. It is both a blessing and a bane to be able to make multiple angled observations at the same time because interpreting true intention sometimes becomes hard and blurred, and I'll admit I'm prone to that.
There isn't a foolproof strategy. Apple also faces tough competition. There are similar competing devices, clones even, people choosing to boycott because of their severe prices, their lack of transparency or their cavelier attitude (remember the iphone grip of death?)
There is alot of effort made to stay at the top. Like I said, imperfect information doesn't last forever, I arrived here finally and made the leap to try other products, and I believe many others will too. I personally feel that their current strat of promoting new mx's and pushing might lead to consumer burn out, overselling and overtilling current markets without allowing rest, however then again, "the research angle" is something they're selling. Companies need to understand the life cycle of a consumer. I personally have reached burn out phase and am going into subsistence mode, identifying my necessary products and shying away from the adventurous. mx297, true love, a314, glace have now reached my staple buy list. Ammo, WM9+O, mx412/413, mx405, 406 etc. have fallen by the way side. I'm currently deliberating whether or not to drop Androstadienone since my discovery of TL, but since I find that some products don't go with TL, Androstadienone might blend in better.
Its all a matter of game theory and economics, maximising their benefit and gauging how their customers react. Will the increase in price bring about greater profits even though demand falls? Will most customers choose to lose faith when we release a certain piece of information or will they choose to trust us and feel that we're transparent and have accountability? There're opportunity costs involved when a strategic move is made
Look at the principle and spirit of my post, do not view it as a defense or flawed examples, I'm merely trying to offer the view that if they stick to their guns of $9999 and it remains out of reach, walk away and buy something else. I just feel that its a waste to miss the forest for a couple of trees (ok good trees in my opinion, my life's been changed ever since I discovered a314 and mx297). I decided to look beyond the trees and found a forest.
But like I've said in the lounge, this is a free world, the internet is free ground, anyone can vent, comment or rant. Debate, accept, prove or disprove.
Humans tend to show favorable bias towards those who treat them nice, and show discontent when left out of a "party". I'm no exception. There will always be discontent, and trust me I do my fair share of moaning and complaining too. But yeah.
(09-16-2011 12:15 PM)dexter Wrote: Nobody hate me for doing this, but after reading this response to why $1-10k for a bottle of P75 might be justified, i wanted to comment. I may have typed too much in response to a somewhat meandering post.
I do not beleive that they are mutually exclusive, hair club for men president claimed he was also a member, could the OWNER of a company that is listed as having 4 employees also be the operations manager? Did the BBB just get it wrong, or did Jasmine go to the BBB and change the name of the owner to JSL for strategy? see link above.
There could be more than 4 [John Sebastion Lavalle Jr., Jasmine, Steve, Michael Harris, Mickaela, peon1, peon2, peon3, peon4]
I must point out how these 2 statements quoted below don't work together with statements like:
1- AD's business model is top notch, keeping consumers in, retaining loyalty.
2- I was forced to look for alternatives,(a case like atrione or etrione for P86?)
These statements kind of say to me that if AD had their financial house in order they would provide their products so they wouldn't lose customers, or have customers trying to figure out their formulas for fear that AD is going bankrupt and the secrets will go to the grave with them, but since they don't got the finances in order, Gslinger goes to other suppliers for the mones.
(09-16-2011 3:37 AM)Gslinger Wrote: AD has an incredible business model in my opinion, NLP or not they know their stuff. Shortages, limited releases and exclusive products are all techniques used by companies to stay ahead of the game and maximise demand. I don't know if shortages are used by AD but their system of keeping consumers in as well as retaining customer loyalty is top notch. A degree of social engineering and programming by companies, manipulating perception, positioning, everything is business.
(09-16-2011 3:37 AM)Gslinger Wrote: ...because I"m limited by capital I was forced to look for alternatives and I actually found some that actually worked. I was initially skeptical and fearful at first but... I found that there are also other good products out there.
How does P75 work? Is it the Ferrari of pheromones? This thread is about paying $9,999.99 for P75. Ferrari has a waiting list to sell their top models at their price. How many people are in line to pay $9,999.99 from AD, right now, this second, compared to Ferrari's waiting list? I don't think there would be a waiting list, they would sell it as fast as they could, shown by jasmine's post who said the shortage was just $$$ flow problems. FOLLOW THE LINK READ THE POST.
(09-16-2011 3:37 AM)Gslinger Wrote: Transparency in itself is a marketing tool,... "Do we want to trust whatever they tell us this product does and not know if there's the real deal in it or do we want to find a product that we know what goes inside of it"
Good question. "DO WE WANT TO FIND A PRODUCT THAT WE KNOW WHAT GOES INSIDE OF IT?"
After copulingate wasn't settled, I guess we CAN NOT trust that these Commercial Line mixes don't change from batch to batch. I'm pretty sure they have tweaked most all of them as shown by the version numbers, and changed the formulas of all the commercial line over time.
(09-16-2011 3:37 AM)Gslinger Wrote: ...it is the companies' responsibility to keep us happy so they can get our dollars.
Is Gslinger happy enough with P75 to give them the $$$'s ($9,999.99)? I don't think I am that happy.
I thought this post WAS about the sudden changes in pricing policy. You are saying that they have not made the changes, but the $9,999.99 change seemed sudden.
(09-16-2011 3:37 AM)Gslinger Wrote: I'm happy to say that I'm happy spending my money with AD
But did you spend the money for P75? I will guess you did not order it after the sudden price change.
(09-16-2011 3:37 AM)Gslinger Wrote: As far as I know myself I'm a bargain hunter, but I believe in fair trades and fair deals.
I am guessing that AD's "incredible business model" and "intelligent strategy and manuevring" have kept you satisfied in the price for P75 being "FAIR". It seems that this doesn't synch up with your claim of bargain hunting vs. praise for AD's incredible/intelligent operations. Or maybe you got so caught up in thinking about shopping for computers online in the post above that you forgot the thread was about P75's price.
Really? Are you satisfied by the Price of P75?
We are all freaking fans of AD here dude. I don't know of anyone who isn't a fan of AD products. But about the P75 price, that is what this post is about. Seems I snagged you by posting the link that shows that John Sebastian Lavalle Jr was the president. As listed by the BBB. And that Jasmine reports to him, as posted by Jasmine.
I see this as a statement, just showing the links to the facts I found. Why is it hard to beleive that a rich kid came in with his dad's money and became an investor/owner into a company that needed money bad, and still does. So much that P75 is $9,999.99.
WAR OUT-