(11-05-2016 1:31 PM)thundr Wrote: I have closed the kitchen. For how long I do not know.
Recent new product release such as fivecrux, the report thread is epic derailed a member making unproven claims of health problems. Very little to no progress made on that thread. All except for current advice made by the guy who never actually wore fivecrux but decided to derail it anyway. BUT he tested CV4.5 so therefore fivecrux must be made from the same stuff that "gave him health issues" with absolutely ZERO medical proof to back his claim.
Unproven claims, what the heck. Does this even need proof, what would be the value to anyone for getting proof in this. I can have proof on this I still have that bottle burried somewhere I could ask someone I know personally I am sure of also uses mones and get proof thanks to him, or someone else I know. What do you then need a blood test before I use five and a blood test after five, would that be valuable proof to you? Hey maybe I can also then start a lawsuit to you for harming me and then with it our mones become illegal too. Because I hear that's what americans like, no? (I'm not going to do this)
What I described on the forum is exactly what happened to me, how do I know it's FIVE(not cv4.5) well yeah how do you know NA or XiSt is working how do you know cigarettes are making your body physical weak and coughing a lot and aggro. It's by experience and after multiple times seeing the pattern you attribute it to it. It was march when you send me that bottle I used it in my college room. I placed it in the fridge and I am sure it was diffusing a lot out of the bottle it always was wet on the cover also using it made it get into my room in the air and on the ground.
When I was using it, it was mild I didn't linked it to your product. I never thought their would be something wrong with your product! But then one day with a third spray it was becoming very intense and obvious what was causing it. It milded a bit down after a week not using it anymore but those days were horrifying and the only thing I was thinking about was, shit I hope I will not die.
Well I didn't used it anymore then but I still had these problems, could it have been because I was using noopept for my exams? The problems I had from five could been a high amount of GABA in my blood(it matches the reported side effects) and using noopept increases GABA because it increases glutamine (a molecule which causes us to learn/remember) after using noopept a couple times I saw a pattern where it always became worse when I used it, also when I was using something else lots of people use that increases GABA without problems and also me before having five and noopept has no reports about such side effects and when I was using it a year ago it was in much larger quantities without anything happening similar like it was with five,so five might be a glutamine releaser(could be since GABA comes a long with glutamine), yeah why not it did almost nothing for me except heavy imprinting and it doesn't felt like all that it had pheromones in it. Or were my GABA problems because five was so freaking strong acting on the nerves, it gave me and others in my cloud muscle spasms and you could just feel it acting on your nerves. I did had people I am close to having the same problems as me in my cloud or house: the muscle spasms and that blood stuff.
Now that I am back at university when I sleep in my bedroom (my room is 6 meters high and my bedroom is with a stairway 1 meter under the ceiling I have those problems again. I can feel it being there when I just get there upstairs. It probably diffused up by using it and sticked there to the surface because it just couldn't go away. When I sleep not in my bedroom on the ground I don't have the problems, also when I use clothes from my bedroom I get five hits and also the side effects on myself. It's been march since I gotten it and with everything that happened I am 99,9% sure it's because of five, after all these days and other things I don't have to write here. There is nothing else that can be the cause.
But hey I wil be fine it's now almost completely gone, I just have it when I sleep at my bedroom. I just hope it didn't cause any long term damage to myself.
So this seems like a failed test, I was asking you a couple times if I could buy more cv4.5 because I liked it a lot (well if random girls start to ask you to make out or a girl takes you away from your friends and want to party hard and wants to dance sexually with u, don't know how it's called in english and getting sex from girls seems so easy why wouldn't someone wants more from such thing). You told me you was going to sell me more in the future, but then it was not possible. If you would have stated somewhere the core variants are a experiment for something I am working on I would have been ok and just waited it out till your final version was ready. So after asking a couple times you told me hey you might wanne try something new(FIVE not CV4.5) I made I am going to take it out this weekend to be sure it does what I want it to do. So that states that you did not tested in the long run for any possible issues.
I did had these problems and you were not helping me at all, the only thing you said was hey man take it easy everyone needs to take a break sometimes from mones, I was not overusing it at all and hey take some water and vitamine B no that didnt helped..
There is also not a single guy that reported hey I also recieved five(while you told me you sended it to 6 people) and I have those problems too or I don't have those problems at all, if someone did received it feel free to tell us.
Now that you released fivecrux I thought it was based on five(isn't that normal? if you tell me I'm going to tweak the formula, I wan't it to be special) (not 4.5 like you write here) I honestly wrote what I experienced with it, I also wrote it worked like magic for me that it gave me pretty good results and that I hoped that fivecrux would do the same without having that stuff I had from five. I am not trying to do anything with the reputation of apex. It even looks like I am promoting people to try it IMO, there have been no side effects this far from the testers like I had from five, so why do you have to blame someone because the launch of fivecrux is not what you wanted it to be.
Especially after I send you a message where I said ok man I had those problems with five and I did bothered you a bit with it, thinking it was poison which is normal duuh survival instincts: trying to keep me alive from something I can not understand,.. but it's ok I forgive u sorry for what happened between us those are just mails we don't know each other, I feel like it's fading away what I experienced with five I'm not going to buy anything from u again so there will be no more problems in the future have a good day.
Maybe people don't want to buy it because it will then be unable to posses it like cv4, atlas,..(why is this even off your site it was so good, better than tusc and definally better than style IMO)
Or maybe they just want to buy something that's tested and some reviews. Or maybe they want to buy something from another vendor..
Also every vendor had products that were not perceived good at it's launch and even after that, lots of people said BW didn't do shit for them also for voodoo, wolf is friendzoning, NA gives depression and inverse imprinting, XiSt makes you sleepy and unable to talk, L2K make me and my girl cry, etc.
If not a lot of people are interested in buying solomon attar (which was even stated to be limited edition so what's the problem)?! I don't think it's appropriate for a vendor to complain about it and blaming people for it. There are like 50 products available for a small amount of people who are interested and the only thing we actually now need is the old A314 and the effect that five gave me but that is said to be in the old A314's too.
I believe you put a lot of work in this stuff and I have always appreciated it and told you how great your products are, but there was just one problem and I wrote about it because I don't want anyone else to go through the same shit as I did, and I have a feeling your mixes have lots to do with artificial science stuff (not that this has to equal it's bad, almost everything is artificial these days) and it has never been discussed, I were also not thinking it could have harmful effects until you gave me the bottle five I started to think about it. In Pharmacy molecules are tested for like 15 years before being used, your site is maybe 2-3 years old? You have little customers to fund any professional research(your products are even tested by this community), so you are using molecules that are already used or come from nature, right? That's hard to believe IMO it more looks like lab made substances that no one else uses for me.
Not that I want to tell you what to do but if you don't want to believe someone saying he suffers from a product(FIVE) it is indeed better to stop using a open source program and trying an alternative method(like garry he has testers and he takes a lot of time for his products) or giving out some more test vials so you have information to back this up and also maybe use it by yourself a couple more days than just taking it out for the weekend, you have as little medical proof there is nothing harmful in five than I have proof in my statement, I am however pretty sure I can come up with medical proof.
Also if you would have stated somewhere what your intentions were from the core variants there would have been no problems at all, even now with fivecrux nobody knows what to expect from apex. Are you planning to make a final product from all the core variants or are you using this forum to gather information for your own personal fallout mix? You could have informed people more on your site and not expecting information from people without giving something in return
I don't want to blame anyone here or assault anyone, everyone can make a mistake.
It's just not fair to blame me for having a failed test kitchen launch for temporary available products, surely not when I was the only one talking good about cv4 and five.
If you don't like people giving opinions about your products ask to close your forum. Or make your own forum like androtics or PXS
If you guys didn't noticed it yet, I am not here to make friends like what I see from others. I'm strictly here for information I don't care about people who are not part of my life, to all the sheep that hate me because I give my opinion that sets the hero in a dark spot(even while I said to have positive experiences), you can all kiss my ass
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