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RE: Supermam Olfactory
11-02-2017 5:19 AM
(10-31-2017 4:49 AM)TheManInTheFedora Wrote: No problem, you got me intrigued by this so I decided to take the initiative. Got me thinking about even other aspects of hygiene like the days when people didn't readily have toilet paper!
How about this one :
Looks like the hyper emphasis on 'ultra' clean didn't really take hold until relatively recently...i.e., mid 19th century as opposed to pre-Revolution days. The ancients did take cleanliness seriously i.e., Roman public baths, but the dark ages and fear of the bubonic plague changed the mentality for hundreds of years. Why? People during the middle ages thought that immersing oneself in water would open pores up and thus, make one more susceptible to disease...so people would avoid frequent bathing...up until the 19th century. So, while you may have read that some US individuals visiting England may have impressed their hosts by unusual bathing frequency, it could have been an individual thing, rather than a widespread national habit.
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By about the 1840s in America, architects who made pattern books -- books that everybody could buy and then build according to the patterns in the book -- added a little room that was called a "bath-room" for the first time, which meant that, eventually, there would be fixed plumbing in that room. But for a very long time, until well into the 1920s in rural places, you would just move your tin tub into the kitchen on Saturday night and fill it with warm water, and then everybody in the family, one by one, would get into the same water, starting with probably the father, who was the most important, and going down to the daughter-in-law, who was the least important.
From my childhood, I still remember having met older folks who actually did this even before WWII. I remember that it was even joked around with in the old Bugs Bunny cartoons where Bugs jokes that he only takes baths on Saturday.
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[b]From teeth-whitening strips to hand sanitizer, why are Americans so obsessed with cleanliness today?[/b]
I think it's a continuation of something that started with the Civil War, when the Americans had surprising success with this thing called the Sanitation Commission, which was headed by Frederick Law Olmsted, the architect of Central Park. It achieved an enormous success in limiting deaths just by washing the patients, their linen, the walls of their rooms. It drastically cut into the deaths by disease and infection.
Before the war Americans had been just as dirty as Europeans, and they came out of the war thinking cleanliness is democratic because it doesn't cost much money.........They quickly thought this is yet another way in which life in the New World is so much better than life in the Old World. The invention of modern sophisticated advertising, which began in America at the end of the 19th century,.....advertising things like toilet soap and deodorant."
Rather than pre-Revolutionary times, the article seems to suggest that the American custom of frequent bathing only really got started somewhere in the 19th century....facilitated by indoor plumbing and an increased awareness that cleanliness reduces disease.
As for PC influence (also marketing/media conditioning perhaps even more so than PC notions) on hypercleanliness, it appears that the article supports this notion:
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Advertisers want to find more parts of our bodies that we can clean and sanitize, and we've gotten less and less comfortable with ever smelling like a human body or having maybe ivory-colored teeth, or even cream-colored teeth -- normal teeth colors. Our teeth were not meant to be paper white at all, as any dentist will tell you, but we're kind of constantly upping the ante. We've gotten so far away from naturalness that it's really over the top now......So much of our current interest in cleanliness is really about appearance and not ever smelling like a human being. If we smell like mangoes or vanilla and our face looks clean and our teeth are paper white, that's good enough.
The article stresses the point that in Western nations (particularly US), the practice of 'hyper cleanliness' has gotten so out of hand that people have forgotten what 'normal' smells are. When they come across those smells, it registers as something abnormal. The sense of smell can be conditioned by external stimuli. Past generations would probably not be fazed by someone smelling a tad 'ripe' after a hard day's work, but the last couple of generations have become overly sensitive to even the slightest musky scent. Thus, encouraging an exaggerated standard of cleanliness almost on par with a sterile lab condition. The implications could be negative as the article suggests that immune systems begin to weaken setting the stage for a 'superbug' epidemic, since everyone has gotten obsessed with antibacterial soaps. People may want to reconsider their obsession with hyper cleanliness. I don't mean that people should just let it all hang out and take a bath once every 2 weeks. Rather, I think that people should simply not be too paranoid if they didn't take their daily shower. Exceptions being for example, if I did take a shower in the morning...then, worked on my car on a 90 degree day..sweated like a pig....I would think that another shower is necessary, indeed. Like many aspects of life, common sense should help. Interestingly, I had a friend who used to do a lot of fishing and having been also conditioned by the notion of hyper clean felt embarrassed by the slightest of 'ripe' smells. Much to his chagrin, he noted that he would get the most IOIs/hits from women after his fishing trips...being less than fresh, looking disheveled, like a bum; in other words he wasn't dressed to impress nor was he spiffed up. Back then a couple of decades ago, he and I couldn't really figure this....knowing more today about pheromones, we may be able to attribute this to the mones in his sweat...which he didn't have a chance to wash off or negate with excessive deodorant/antiperspirant use. He noted that this repeated itself too many times to be a coincidence.
That's how this relates to pheromones. Many of us have seen the debate of whether or not excessive washing is killing our natural pheromone signatures. Some argue that pheromones will persevere regardless of how much we wash i.e., some argue that a bitch dog in heat will still be sensed by all the male dogs on the block regardless of multiple baths.
Thanks for sharing those info, i will keep on looking further regarding the diffrence in between ppl who smell nones and those who don't, what I noticed there are 3 diffrent type:
1-Extra sensitive who can smell.it meters away
2-People who can smell nones
3-those who can't smell it at all like me
(10-31-2017 4:49 AM)TheManInTheFedora Wrote: No problem, you got me intrigued by this so I decided to take the initiative. Got me thinking about even other aspects of hygiene like the days when people didn't readily have toilet paper!
How about this one :
Looks like the hyper emphasis on 'ultra' clean didn't really take hold until relatively recently...i.e., mid 19th century as opposed to pre-Revolution days. The ancients did take cleanliness seriously i.e., Roman public baths, but the dark ages and fear of the bubonic plague changed the mentality for hundreds of years. Why? People during the middle ages thought that immersing oneself in water would open pores up and thus, make one more susceptible to disease...so people would avoid frequent bathing...up until the 19th century. So, while you may have read that some US individuals visiting England may have impressed their hosts by unusual bathing frequency, it could have been an individual thing, rather than a widespread national habit.
Code:
By about the 1840s in America, architects who made pattern books -- books that everybody could buy and then build according to the patterns in the book -- added a little room that was called a "bath-room" for the first time, which meant that, eventually, there would be fixed plumbing in that room. But for a very long time, until well into the 1920s in rural places, you would just move your tin tub into the kitchen on Saturday night and fill it with warm water, and then everybody in the family, one by one, would get into the same water, starting with probably the father, who was the most important, and going down to the daughter-in-law, who was the least important.
From my childhood, I still remember having met older folks who actually did this even before WWII. I remember that it was even joked around with in the old Bugs Bunny cartoons where Bugs jokes that he only takes baths on Saturday.
Code:
[b]From teeth-whitening strips to hand sanitizer, why are Americans so obsessed with cleanliness today?[/b]
I think it's a continuation of something that started with the Civil War, when the Americans had surprising success with this thing called the Sanitation Commission, which was headed by Frederick Law Olmsted, the architect of Central Park. It achieved an enormous success in limiting deaths just by washing the patients, their linen, the walls of their rooms. It drastically cut into the deaths by disease and infection.
Before the war Americans had been just as dirty as Europeans, and they came out of the war thinking cleanliness is democratic because it doesn't cost much money.........They quickly thought this is yet another way in which life in the New World is so much better than life in the Old World. The invention of modern sophisticated advertising, which began in America at the end of the 19th century,.....advertising things like toilet soap and deodorant."
Rather than pre-Revolutionary times, the article seems to suggest that the American custom of frequent bathing only really got started somewhere in the 19th century....facilitated by indoor plumbing and an increased awareness that cleanliness reduces disease.
As for PC influence (also marketing/media conditioning perhaps even more so than PC notions) on hypercleanliness, it appears that the article supports this notion:
Code:
Advertisers want to find more parts of our bodies that we can clean and sanitize, and we've gotten less and less comfortable with ever smelling like a human body or having maybe ivory-colored teeth, or even cream-colored teeth -- normal teeth colors. Our teeth were not meant to be paper white at all, as any dentist will tell you, but we're kind of constantly upping the ante. We've gotten so far away from naturalness that it's really over the top now......So much of our current interest in cleanliness is really about appearance and not ever smelling like a human being. If we smell like mangoes or vanilla and our face looks clean and our teeth are paper white, that's good enough.
The article stresses the point that in Western nations (particularly US), the practice of 'hyper cleanliness' has gotten so out of hand that people have forgotten what 'normal' smells are. When they come across those smells, it registers as something abnormal. The sense of smell can be conditioned by external stimuli. Past generations would probably not be fazed by someone smelling a tad 'ripe' after a hard day's work, but the last couple of generations have become overly sensitive to even the slightest musky scent. Thus, encouraging an exaggerated standard of cleanliness almost on par with a sterile lab condition. The implications could be negative as the article suggests that immune systems begin to weaken setting the stage for a 'superbug' epidemic, since everyone has gotten obsessed with antibacterial soaps. People may want to reconsider their obsession with hyper cleanliness. I don't mean that people should just let it all hang out and take a bath once every 2 weeks. Rather, I think that people should simply not be too paranoid if they didn't take their daily shower. Exceptions being for example, if I did take a shower in the morning...then, worked on my car on a 90 degree day..sweated like a pig....I would think that another shower is necessary, indeed. Like many aspects of life, common sense should help. Interestingly, I had a friend who used to do a lot of fishing and having been also conditioned by the notion of hyper clean felt embarrassed by the slightest of 'ripe' smells. Much to his chagrin, he noted that he would get the most IOIs/hits from women after his fishing trips...being less than fresh, looking disheveled, like a bum; in other words he wasn't dressed to impress nor was he spiffed up. Back then a couple of decades ago, he and I couldn't really figure this....knowing more today about pheromones, we may be able to attribute this to the mones in his sweat...which he didn't have a chance to wash off or negate with excessive deodorant/antiperspirant use. He noted that this repeated itself too many times to be a coincidence.
That's how this relates to pheromones. Many of us have seen the debate of whether or not excessive washing is killing our natural pheromone signatures. Some argue that pheromones will persevere regardless of how much we wash i.e., some argue that a bitch dog in heat will still be sensed by all the male dogs on the block regardless of multiple baths.
Thanks for sharing those info, i will keep on looking further regarding the diffrence in between ppl who smell nones and those who don't, what I noticed there are 3 diffrent type:
1-Extra sensitive who can smell.it meters away
2-People who can smell nones
3-those who can't smell it at all like me
LAL SXD, NA, AV, DP, BW, Max-T
PXS Evolve, XiSt, Taboo, DM, Dom, Exotica, Brute
AD Alpha Maschio
(This post was last modified: 11-02-2017 5:20 AM by BAALhammon.)
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