Post: #1

Ok I'm in a kinda predicament..

My FAVORITE mone product is causing depression again.. Its happened twice now.

I have used it 50 + times with no depression and now this week the depression and lethargy hit on two occasions.

I am kinda bummed out I like AM so much.

Some things that have changed.

Over the last week I have increased portions of red meat and chicken breast. In fact before I never eat too much of the burgers but now I eat a 6 oz burger 3x week and a 5-7 oz chicken breast burger 3x week.

And bang depression!

I can't understand it.. More protein and red meat = more test levels = more tolerance to Androstadienone . but it is happening in reverse.

I think I can pinpoint two possible tangents:

1) I used AM two days in a row by accident when depression hit the first time.. Both time I used 2 sprays. This was a mistake on my part.. I wasn't keeping track and put it on without thinking about the Androstadienone issue. This could just be an occurrence of too much use too soon.

2) The second situation is yesterday I used it after 3 day break but FORGOT to wear my sleep apnea device to bed. I am wondering if this may have caused AM to result in depression and lethargy? It is said that men with sleep apnea produce dismal amounts of test. Forgetting my device may have left me with test levels like a 70 y.o this morning and maybe that's why the Androstadienone got to me.

3) All this influx of meat in my diet.. If meat increases test does it also increase Androstadienone produced with it? Does anyone know? If that is the case maybe I cannot use 2 sprays anymore.. Perhaps my body is producing more natural Androstadienone with the increased in protein and meat consumption? Perhaps 1 spray will solve the issue?

I will be seeing some crucial targets this weekend for when AM is to shine for me.. I have to get things back under control.

Anyone dissect this scenario and offer me some tips?

My own contingency plan for now
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*Take 2-3 day break from all mones esp Androstadienone related
* Make sure I use Sleep apnea device without fail
* Never use AM more than 2x week.. Next time will be Thurs to test then Sat for the event
* Use only 1 spray.. Reduced from 2. Better to have lessor effect from 1 spray than OD at 2 and get depressed with no results.
* Continue to consume red meat burger 3x week and Chicken breast burger 3x week and workout with weights 3x week.

dsouza

Post: #2

I've been taking a break from Alpha Dream products because I find that the aftereffects made it harder to focus on the huge workload I have. Maybe its the temperature effecting the diffusion.

Post: #3

I've found that 2 sprays of Bliss and 1spray of AM is an awesome combo perhaps the A-nols of Bliss can lift your mood for better toleration.

Post: #4

Dsouza, don't you think it could be rather your steroid treatment than the mones that cause your depression?
Every kind of imbalance in the endocrine system caused by artificial hormones, unhealthy food, masturbation, etc. can cause depression.

Just think about it ;)

Receptor

Post: #5

(09-30-2015 1:40 AM)receptor Wrote:  Dsouza, don't you think it could be rather your steroid treatment than the mones that cause your depression?
Every kind of imbalance in the endocrine system caused by artificial hormones, unhealthy food, masturbation, etc. can cause depression.

Just think about it ;)

Receptor

It's true what you say about masturbation.. if I masturbate and try to wear Androstadienone the next day watch out.. depression!!!

I think I know why.. Masturbation reduces test levels.

In fact anything that reduces my test levels or effects my nervous system will make it harder to tolerate Androstadienone .

Since I have been prone to depression, a lack of proper sleep without sleeping device (sleep apnea device), missing my androgel treatment (which I don't), masturbation, and also sugar seems to be the enemy of testosterone.

At my age and with my endocrine problems i'm on the fence in terms of maintaining healthy test. I have to do everything, including having sex 2 times a week to keep my levels pumping out nicely.

Top this all off with the fact that NATURALLY pumping out more test through diet may also cause an impact with Androstadienone also remains an issue.

No one has addressed this ; will adding more meats to your diet increase not just increase your natural test production but also your natural Androstadienone production? Or is Androstadienone not a connection to this? I always found when I was 23 and eat a lot of meat I was also very angry , and also very depressed.

If this is the case I have to reduce the quantity of Androstadienone I use..

Perhaps I'll try 1 spray AM on Thurs... if it goes well I'll stick to that dose.

dsouza

Post: #6

For context: You should note that interactions between diet and testosterone are very complex and you can't be sure that increasing red meat and chicken is automatically going to boost test for you.

Post: #7

Dsouza, just another thought: consider the fact that you permanently boost your test levels with different measures > your endocrine system might adapt to this high level and RELATIVELY seen every little decline in test levels might cause a depression because your system expects constant high test levels...

What I try to explain is > it might be better to BALANCE your system with a balanced lifestyle (nutrition, sports, sex, etc.).
Even when test levels decline when your 40+ it might still be better for your mood than to force your system to get a unnatural high test level.

Btw, have you seen the info on concerning porn induced depression (and even ED)?
I recommend to watch the videos on their site..

Wish you the best
Receptor