(07-07-2021 11:26 PM)dsouza Wrote: Good review Grok.
Would you say this product is closer to core or m3x?
And when would you use Mr vetiver vs M3X?
Is it first date appropriate or too social for sexualized dating these days?
Is it appropriate when its dtf time (say you don't have time to socialize)? Will a woman go with your libido driven urges or put up resistance and want gab?
How long does it take to go from social to sexual or is it balanced throughout? I.e. Does it change on the skin?
Is it as close to game in a bottle like m3x (I use 2017) ?
It's an oil I assume its more for summer. How long did you find it took to go from social to sexual and what was the projection range?
More appropriate for a bar or 1-1 patio date?
How long did it last on the skin?
Go more into the disinhibition... What was said by both parties that stood out? Have you ever used m3x in year 2017? How would you compare?
Would you ever use this in tandem with m3x? Like Vetiver for the opener , m3x for the closer? Or is it good enough to replace m3x altogether?
Thanks for answering these basic type of questions we all need answered before jumping the gun.
Thundr's products are class A and I believe many are underrated and some have simply not been reviewed by the community.
I'm glad you took the faithful leap. You have peaked my interest. ;-)
Cheers!
D
Great questions D I'll hit them one by one and let me know if I miss anything!
I have most of Apex products but surprisingly I never purchased core despite it being something he's known for so I can't speak on how it relates to core. I do see many parallels with M3X but it is definitely its own beast.
I would use Mr. Vetiver when I don't know where the night is going to take me. It is safe to use around the gents and keeps things light and positive. M3X is a bit too sexual and disinhibiting to wear around my friends unless we are going to be a club or something. On top of the Vetiver has a very positive aura to it that keeps things fun and less serious.
It definitely is a good first date phero. I have worn this a handful of times and always had a positive experience. It is great at dissolving personal boundaries so it allows you to escalate kino. Like I said it has that verbal disinhibitor mixed with a light party vibe so you can steer pretty easily. If your not on your game tho it can work against you. This being said I prefer a more alpha/status mone like TKO if I am gaming. As a reference my favorite date combo (and maybe overall going out) is Sex Magnet and TKO. I like M3X for stay home dates or intimate settings where there are no other Men (competition) around.
I would say it this way - If your nervous for your date Mr. Vetiver will make it smoother and easier and let things flow. Its like training wheels for a date.
If its DTF time I wouldn't go with Mr. Vetiver - its strength is building rapport and getting the connection established.
It definitely changes on the skin into a sexual - at least that has been my experience. But this is actually the area I am looking forward to hearing from others because the sexual aspect to this mone is very difficult to pin. I would say it starts to change around 4 hours. This might be due to long term inhalation effects tho.
I would say its game in a bottle. In fact I haven't had great experiences mixing this mone with others. I would say its very balanced as it is. (I think I got my M3X in 2019 I never tried the 2017 you talk about).
Appropriate for both bar and patio 1 on 1. I like status mones in high competition areas like bars so if I had to choose I would say patio.
I found it easily lasted all night. I have to note I find after day effects in most mones so take this with a grain of salt. I know there is a lot of contention on next day effects.
In terms of comparing the verbal disinhibiting effects between M3X and Mr. Vetiver - First there are clearly parallels but I important differences. Mr Vetiver is more of a I want to share with you because I trust you and your vibe rocks and then out of the blue I say something super sexual from deep in my unconscious. I find M3X to be a mone that just makes people have absolutely zero filter (myself included). So if you steer correctly M3X is more powerful in this sense but also way more socially dangerous because of its heavy sexual nature and the fact that your minds will be on that.
I haven't done enough experimenting with mixtures to give a definitive answer to this one. I am currently out of M3X and wasn't able to try them at the same time. I didn't have great results mixing with TKO or Titan. Both of those made for a weird energy that I cant place. I haven't tried it with imprint yet but I could see that working very well.
Hope I hit everything bro!
Cheers!
grok
Edit: After reviewing what I wrote I want to make sure I don't downplay that there IS a strong sexual component. I really just have a hard time placing EXACTLY what the hell is going on with it. While it is a safer tone there is an unconscious animalistic aspect to it that really needs to be explored. This is where I am hoping to hear from others!