Post: #1

Hi guys, I've gone through most posts on these boards as well as that on the ptalk board. Does anyone know if Meo Est or specifically the Methoxyestratetraenone that's being more commonly used in the products as well as single molecules that's being sold by pheromone companies and labs is toxic?

What is the general consensus or the leading and highest possibility? Is it cancerous? What does toxic mean? Can it be absorbed into our blood stream?

Its one heck of a great molecule and I really loved it up till when I started seeing the various posts on its toxicity. I'd like to know for sure I'm not caught in a situation where the risks outweigh the rewards, can anyone shed any light on this?

Post: #2

Tisha claims the stuff is found in humans only in cancerous breast tissue. She got this idea from Diane, of Paradise7, who generally has a good grasp of the literature, but I am not aware of the source of the info and a search of Pubmed for "methoxyestratetraenone" turns up no results. Even if it is only produced by cancerous breast tissue. there is no reason to suspect that it might somehow cause breast cancer.

But it probably does have some estrogenic activity, so I'd avoid using it on a very regular basis, lest ye gain weight and develop sensitive nipples

One thing the pheromone community suffers from far too much of is people developing very strong opinions based on minimal information, and repeating those opinions in increasingly fervent and persuasive ways.

Post: #3

(11-26-2011 8:53 PM)dbot Wrote:  Tisha claims the stuff is found in humans only in cancerous breast tissue. She got this idea from Diane, of Paradise7, who generally has a good grasp of the literature, but I am not aware of the source of the info and a search of Pubmed for "methoxyestratetraenone" turns up no results. Even if it is only produced by cancerous breast tissue. there is no reason to suspect that it might somehow cause breast cancer.

But it probably does have some estrogenic activity, so I'd avoid using it on a very regular basis, lest ye gain weight and develop sensitive nipples

One thing the pheromone community suffers from far too much of is people developing very strong opinions based on minimal information, and repeating those opinions in increasingly fervent and persuasive ways.

And folks banging on about medical advice when they...wait..*gasps* aren't doctors! Not a dig at you dbot, just towards folks that like to give the all knowing attitude without at least some research. That's one of the things I like about this place, so many people do their own research and we have the vendors posting here as well, lending their experience.

As far as the OP goes, I'd go with what dbot says. I've only ever used Methoxyestratetraenone in true love and so far I haven't had any results with it (too cold for the oil version), so I'm holding off on it for the time being.

Post: #4

Assuming there MAY be some form of toxicity, I wonder if spraying it on clothes to avoid direct contact with the skin, would help...

Post: #5

@NewAlpha - If there is, it will, but probably at the expense of diffusion. Maybe spraying it on top of an undershirt, where it would still be exposed to a good amount of body heat?

Post: #6

Meo-estratetraenone may very well be estrogenic. From what I know of steroid metabolism, 3-methoxy is reduced to 3-hydroxy. 3-hydroxy-estratetraenone is equilin, a horse steroid which is used for human postmenapausal therapy in the pharmaceutical 'Premarin.' Equilin and the entire estratetraenone family is all bad in my opinion - Their pheromone effect is too weak and side effects too great to be used in a responsible formula, in my humble opinion.

3-methoxy-estratetraenol should be relatively safe, from what I understand. The parent compound has been safetly used in perfumes for 20+ years with no adverse effects.

I doubt either are any more cancerous than the estradiol in your body. Estradiol is actually a natural carcinogen (targeting breasts) which both men's but especially women's bodies naturally produce in abundance. Even our own bodies synthesize carcinogens..

Post: #7

Thanks for sharing your insights, Chris.

I've been very curious about methoxy-estratetraenol. Can you say more about the parent compound being used in perfumes. Also, have you had a chance to experiment with this one for pheromonal properties?

Post: #8

(11-26-2011 10:30 PM)dbot Wrote:  Can you say more about the parent compound being used in perfumes.

the parent compound is estratetraenol

(11-26-2011 10:30 PM)dbot Wrote:  Also, have you had a chance to experiment with this one for pheromonal properties?

The only one who makes it is (also known as ) .. Never had the pleasure of working with these guys... But from what I read, meo-estratetraenol is interesting stuff...

Post: #9

(11-26-2011 8:42 PM)Gslinger Wrote:  Hi guys, I've gone through most posts on these boards as well as that on the ptalk board. Does anyone know if Meo Estratetraenol or specifically the Methoxyestratetraenone that's being more commonly used in the products as well as single molecules that's being sold by pheromone companies and labs is toxic?

What is the general consensus or the leading and highest possibility? Is it cancerous? What does toxic mean? Can it be absorbed into our blood stream?

Its one heck of a great molecule and I really loved it up till when I started seeing the various posts on its toxicity. I'd like to know for sure I'm not caught in a situation where the risks outweigh the rewards, can anyone shed any light on this?

Gslinger ..... have you been using Methoxy- estratetraenol from TP ?

or are you referring to Methoxyestratetraenone ? when you say that it´s on heck of a great molecule ?

Pago

Post: #10

dbot was right, in that Diane had a bad response to Methoxyestratetraenone and for that reason she decided to dig up any dirt she could find on it and preach it as gospel. And, Tisha latched on to that OPINION.

Then there was that Methoxyestratetraenone was sold by Androtics in their experimone series, and Diane's venomous hatred for them didn't help its cause.

Diane may be well studied in microbiology, but she does not have a degree in it, nor in any other medical or scientific field of study that I am aware of. I would take any unproven statements she's made with a grain of salt.