Post: #11

Hey dsouza. I'm a bit older than you. I'm also not what one would call an attractive guy. Short, balding, beer gut, need to lose about 20 lbs. Seldom go to bars, but two of the times i did, i ended up getting laid. One was a late 20's, the other 19 (friend of a friend of a friend). Both of them i met the first time. The firt time, i was wearing LAL produncts, the second, PheromoneXS. Maybe it was natural game. I didn't change anything, just the natural me. Joined the chat, then eventually, they started getting close, and then followed me to my room. I didn't have to ask for sex. Looking back, it seemed that they were the ones doing the asking...lol. I entered the bar with the intention of just having a couple of drinks and a chat with friends. I ended up fetting more.

I agree with the guys above. Good grooming and confidence is very important.

Post: #12

(06-29-2013 9:30 PM)Mars82 Wrote:  Hey dsouza. I'm a bit older than you. I'm also not what one would call an attractive guy. Short, balding, beer gut, need to lose about 20 lbs. Seldom go to bars, but two of the times i did, i ended up getting laid. One was a late 20's, the other 19 (friend of a friend of a friend). Both of them i met the first time. The firt time, i was wearing LAL produncts, the second, PheromoneXS. Maybe it was natural game. I didn't change anything, just the natural me. Joined the chat, then eventually, they started getting close, and then followed me to my room. I didn't have to ask for sex. Looking back, it seemed that they were the ones doing the asking...lol. I entered the bar with the intention of just having a couple of drinks and a chat with friends. I ended up fetting more.

I agree with the guys above. Good grooming and confidence is very important.

You say natural game.. Can you describe how you spoke to these women or what books you used to get them so into you?

Post: #13

(06-30-2013 4:34 AM)dsouza Wrote:  You say natural game.. Can you describe how you spoke to these women or what books you used to get them so into you?

Just the normal me. I enjoy listening and giving my opinions, laughing and just having a good time. For example, whenever they talk about school or work, i give a bit about my experiences too. I joke a lot too. I just like making people laugh.

i haven't read any books on pua. In fact the first time i encountered the term pua was through this forum. Also, i don't think that those strategies would work here in asia. The culture is different.

I believe that here, if one is perceived to have status and has a sense of humor, girls gravitate towards you.

Post: #14

(06-30-2013 5:14 AM)Mars82 Wrote:  I believe that here, if one is perceived to have status and has a sense of humor, girls gravitate towards you.

That seems pretty universal. It is the same here in the U.S.

Post: #15

(06-29-2013 5:08 PM)dsouza Wrote:  I open a lot of girls with evolve on lately and nothing.. I talk to them etc for 30 sec or so and they then make an excuse and say they're busy and dash off!


I think all this talk of mones and game etc is bullshit.. if you're not in shape you can forget about getting with the hottest girls.

That is my weakness right now. I need to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle and lose 30 lbs of fat. This is the erosion of health due to declining testosterone levels and aging over a 20 year timeframe.

No amount of mones or game can make up from an initial impression of someone in wicked shape.. i just think of all the woman I am interested in and they all have nice bodies with little to no fat.

I am on my way to changing but it will be a slow process. Over 40 and out of shape spells disaster when dating 20 somethings or even early thirties who are in great shape no matter the personality.. There is a MINIMUM level of fitness required to score with women of this breed mones no mones, game no game.

Maybe you should try AV instead? SteveO...