Post: #1

Background
I am seriously contemplating quitting drinking for the rest of the year. For the last several years when I've taken a girl on a date it has always been to bars for a drink or to my place for a movie or dinner. I obviously try to have sex with her back in my place and sometimes I fail and sometimes I succeed.

Reasons for stopping drinking
1. I have a beer belly - drinking apparently stalls fat loss in the abdomen area due to increasing cortisol and the fact that beers and some hard liquor has estrogenic substances.
2. Drinking often leads me to staying up really late and the next day is completely shot.
3. I want to build muscle mass and for a variety of reasons I feel like drinking alcohol gets in the way of that.

Problem
I really have no clue how to date without taking a woman to a bar. Over the winter I met a girl that I texted and asked her to join me for a drink. She told me that she doesn't go on drink dates and I would have to come up with something more creative. Needless to say I didn't text her back.

Date Ideas Without Drinking

• I can take a woman to starbucks for a first date.
• I can take a woman to a juice bar instead of a regular bar. I'm not sure if you can get 100% veggie juices without fruit. I've also never been inside one so I don't know what the seating is like.
• I can ask a woman to join me for a walk in central park.
• I can tell a woman that I'm going to be reading a book in central park and that she is welcome to join me.
  

Concerns about Date Ideas
Here in NYC I've known various women over the last several years. I've heard many women complain about guys they have dated over the years. Sometimes they complain about guys who don't drink. They think it's lame. I have had women tell me they would never consider dating a guy who didn't drink. Now I have the idea in my head that dating without drinking is lame.

Long term Plan
I want to lose my gut and put on a little muscle mass. Then once 2015 rolls around I want to start drinking again and going to bars/clubs to hit on women.

Post: #2

And you can still invite women to a bar for drinks. Just order a double shot of water on the rocks for yourself. I do it all the time!

Post: #3

(08-17-2014 11:34 AM)metaltree Wrote:  Background
I am seriously contemplating quitting drinking for the rest of the year. For the last several years when I've taken a girl on a date it has always been to bars for a drink or to my place for a movie or dinner. I obviously try to have sex with her back in my place and sometimes I fail and sometimes I succeed.

Reasons for stopping drinking
1. I have a beer belly - drinking apparently stalls fat loss in the abdomen area due to increasing cortisol and the fact that beers and some hard liquor has estrogenic substances.
2. Drinking often leads me to staying up really late and the next day is completely shot.
3. I want to build muscle mass and for a variety of reasons I feel like drinking alcohol gets in the way of that.

4. Alcohol stymies brain function and can leave one with cloudy cognizance over time.

DO IT! It definitely helps. I've cut back drastically on drinking over the past 3 years, but it also helped that I never really enjoyed drinking to begin with. Now, I have a drink once ever 2-3 months, if at all. The last beer I had was in January this year. Next step (for me) is to cut smoking.

(08-17-2014 11:34 AM)metaltree Wrote:  Problem
I really have no clue how to date without taking a woman to a bar. Over the winter I met a girl that I texted and asked her to join me for a drink. She told me that she doesn't go on drink dates and I would have to come up with something more creative. Needless to say I didn't text her back.

Date Ideas Without Drinking

• I can take a woman to starbucks for a first date.
• I can take a woman to a juice bar instead of a regular bar. I'm not sure if you can get 100% veggie juices without fruit. I've also never been inside one so I don't know what the seating is like.
• I can ask a woman to join me for a walk in central park.
• I can tell a woman that I'm going to be reading a book in central park and that she is welcome to join me.
  

How about a 10-minute first date instead?

Invite her to meet you at a juice bar or Starbucks, after work, in a mall convenient for you (and possibly her), on the context that you'll be there to do a spot of shopping before heading home. Demonstrate to her that you're not going out of your way for her, that it will be a quick meet-n-greet during your shopping run.

Buy her HER drink and get her to buy you YOUR drink. Then let her qualify herself to you for the next 10 mins. If she fits your bill, keep going for awhile longer and set up the next date. Otherwise, say bye and leave.

(08-17-2014 11:34 AM)metaltree Wrote:  Concerns about Date Ideas
Here in NYC I've known various women over the last several years. I've heard many women complain about guys they have dated over the years. Sometimes they complain about guys who don't drink. They think it's lame. I have had women tell me they would never consider dating a guy who didn't drink. Now I have the idea in my head that dating without drinking is lame.

Long term Plan
I want to lose my gut and put on a little muscle mass. Then once 2015 rolls around I want to start drinking again and going to bars/clubs to hit on women.

The above 10-minute strategy would help weed out the whiners and winos from REAL women. Anyone with such a mentality is not worth your time and effort, IMHO.

Losing your gut is one thing. Keeping it away after it is lost is the actual challenge, one that I've had severe problems with to-date. The best way to do that is to stay away from stuff that causes the protruding gut in the 1st place, including alcohol. The occasional drink, however, is fine.

I've just begun down the path of losing body fat and replacing it with lean muscle. Come join me! It'll damn near kill you when you first begin (at least it was so for me), but you know what they say.... what doesn't kill you just makes you ejaculate harder.

Or something like that.

Post: #4

I used to bodybuild and alcohol slows muscle gain by a fair percentage. It can also get you into a catabolic state. If you really want to drink after you lose your gut, don't drink beer, go with hard liquor on the rocks or hard liquor with water or perrier (avoid fast sugars basically) but not too often.
For date ideas, you can have a lunch date, go shopping, movies, exhibitions etc...or can go wild and do bungee jumping or stuff like that.

Post: #5

ALCOHOL and women do NOT mix.

You should want a woman who does NOT drink anyway. Life is NOT a party, and if you're going into a relationship, the woman who does NOT drink give you the best chance.

Because THAT TYPE considers you LAME, you have to CONSIDER THE SOURCE. Now, you're willing to hand over your power because the drinkers call the non drinkers lame? That's seriously the POWER OF THE P.

EVERYBODY should read from a COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SOURCES what alcohol does to the body. ED is in there everywhere!

"You're not lame cause you drink, but you can't get it up!"

I KNOW a couple who couldn't figure out why they couldn't have a baby, and they were both alcoholics. Couldn't go out without getting fall-down drunk.

PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Post: #6

I've been dating a woman I do not drink with, and there are a lot of great alternatives. Sure there's Starbucks, but if you check your local listings, I bet you can find some local coffee shops with a better atmosphere and come off as the guy who knows what's really hip and doesn't just follow the masses. In place of alcohol, I strongly recommend taking up tea drinking. There's a certain sophistication about knowing a thing or two about good teas that can impress a woman, as long as you don't go too hipster on it. There's a long history in Asia of the highest class manly men drinking the finest teas, and green tea is very high in antioxidants which should help with your aspirations to improve your body. If you're serious about getting in better shape, consider asking a woman out for a run. Being serious about improving yourself can be a big turn-on for some women, and a couple that encourages each other to become the best they can be is gold. Don't waste your time on women who wouldn't date a man who doesn't drink. That's pretty superficial and not the sort of woman you'll want for the long term.
And as far as the beer belly, consider taking a decent dose of vitamin D, which most Americans are highly deficient in, a deficiency that has been linked to abdominal fat storage. You should see a doctor about simple blood tests to find out where you're lacking in vitamins. Just adding 10,000mg of vitamin D3 has made my beer belly start to fall off. And for the excess cortisol, a topical DHEA like Dermacrine helps balance it out. I felt years younger after I started cycling it.

Post: #7

(08-17-2014 11:34 AM)metaltree Wrote:  Background
I've heard many women complain about guys they have dated over the years. Sometimes they complain about guys who don't drink. They think it's lame. I have had women tell me they would never consider dating a guy who didn't drink. Now I have the idea in my head that dating without drinking is lame.

This is unfortunately very true for most english speaking countries. So many women cant or wont get sexual without a few drinks. We just gotta deal with it.
Here is what I do:
Order scotch with ice and sip very slowly, as you sip the ice melts and the drink lasts a lot longer.
If shes not there or looking when I order, I ask the bar tender for a spritz of lemonade to be added. Sometimes Ill add some water as most places have some on the bar.
Anyone asks i reply "double scotch".

Quote:Does anyone know how many drops you get out of a bottle of NA (10ml)?

200 drops

Post: #8

Hey metaltree, check out Testosterone IO and Renegade Diet to get in tip top shape. Btw a couple of drinks (vodka is best) on training day is good for test levels.

(05-07-2015 6:44 AM)Pheroman Wrote:  Does anyone know how many drops you get out of a bottle of NA (10ml)?

200 drops

And thanks so much for answering that

Post: #9

I live up in Canada and must say I have taken girls on a nice 2-3 hour hike to the top of a mountain for some of my first dates. Been told by several of them that it was the most "impressive" and "unique" date they have ever had. Easy easy excuse to start kino offering your hand to help them up rocks and such and by the end of the 2 hour hike is just an amazing view overlooking the whole trail. Makes you come off as a more adventurous type, it engages both of you in in a simple common goal of reaching the top, easy to talk to each other, and both of you are always engaged. DEFINITELY makes a huge imprint of yourself on her. The first girl who ever initiated the first kiss on me without me even trying was right after reaching the top. Sounds like a cheesy movie scene but fuck does it ever work.

~Forgot to mention, from knowing the trail from many times before it also allows me to easily LEAD her. I dont think I have to mention why this is important ;) ~Cheers- SoS.

Post: #10

(08-17-2014 11:34 AM)metaltree Wrote:  Background
I am seriously contemplating quitting drinking for the rest of the year. For the last several years when I've taken a girl on a date it has always been to bars for a drink or to my place for a movie or dinner. I obviously try to have sex with her back in my place and sometimes I fail and sometimes I succeed.

Reasons for stopping drinking
1. I have a beer belly - drinking apparently stalls fat loss in the abdomen area due to increasing cortisol and the fact that beers and some hard liquor has estrogenic substances.
2. Drinking often leads me to staying up really late and the next day is completely shot.
3. I want to build muscle mass and for a variety of reasons I feel like drinking alcohol gets in the way of that.

Problem
I really have no clue how to date without taking a woman to a bar. Over the winter I met a girl that I texted and asked her to join me for a drink. She told me that she doesn't go on drink dates and I would have to come up with something more creative. Needless to say I didn't text her back.

Date Ideas Without Drinking

• I can take a woman to starbucks for a first date.
• I can take a woman to a juice bar instead of a regular bar. I'm not sure if you can get 100% veggie juices without fruit. I've also never been inside one so I don't know what the seating is like.
• I can ask a woman to join me for a walk in central park.
• I can tell a woman that I'm going to be reading a book in central park and that she is welcome to join me.
  

Concerns about Date Ideas
Here in NYC I've known various women over the last several years. I've heard many women complain about guys they have dated over the years. Sometimes they complain about guys who don't drink. They think it's lame. I have had women tell me they would never consider dating a guy who didn't drink. Now I have the idea in my head that dating without drinking is lame.

Long term Plan
I want to lose my gut and put on a little muscle mass. Then once 2015 rolls around I want to start drinking again and going to bars/clubs to hit on women.

Haha, awesome to read this... I was into your journal (awesome stuff BTW) this morning and thought to myself, "damn, I could never do what he's doing because I don't drink (or stay out late)" I've run into the same problems but have just learned not to care. Some times I'll get some poking at... I bust out, something throwing it back in their face followed with a "what does that say about you"

I once met up with three guys (PUAs) I really didn't know... Turned out none of us drank so it was actually rather awkward. I find that its not that big of a deal if I'm the only one not drinking and I can hold my frame.

Here in Colorado I use the I don't drink but I do smoke which seems to put people at ease because now I'm not some straight edge guy thats judging them.


Overall, My frame is that Im a fun guy doing fun things and a lady is allowed to follow along if she wants...so dates are easy. Finding the dates can be harder tho unless you get good at day game.