Post: #11

(05-09-2011 2:55 PM)JohnnyHard Wrote:  Dbot, it's simple, take 40-50mcg and look in a mirror, or are the people prettier? That would be incredible, P86 for zippo...!!!

That's pretty much the experience I had at 12.5mcg. I looked a little better to myself in the mirror, and my wife looked great too. In fact, everything looked a little brighter and nicer. This effect lasted all night.

Post: #12

So this does have the same effects as p86? Awesome! I got my capsules today, thanks dbot! I'm not sure if I should dissolve one capsule in 5mL of perfumers alcohol or 15mL. At Love Potion they use 3x as much alcohol as they do when using oil. What do you think?

Post: #13

(05-09-2011 5:41 PM)fuzzcat Wrote:  So this does have the same effects as p86? Awesome! I got my capsules today, thanks dbot! I'm not sure if I should dissolve one capsule in 5mL of perfumers alcohol or 15mL. At Love Potion they use 3x as much alcohol as they do when using oil. What do you think?

No guarantees yet that it's the same as P86. But I'd say it looks promising.

The capsule is 500mg, so if you dissolve it in 10mL of alcohol you'll end up with a brew that delivers roughly 2500mcg/drop. In 5mL you'll have 5000mcg/drop. (those figures will be closer to the truth if you add 10% DPG or FCO to increase the surface tension. otherwise you'll really be getting about 90% as much per drop (about 45mcL versus 50mcL per drop).

Keep in mind, what you're making is a concentrate, so usable dose isn't really at issue for the first stage. Once you've made your concentrate then you'll want to put some in a sprayer with more alcohol and probably some kind of fixative (such as DPG or FCO).

So let's say you mix it up in 10mL of alcohol. One drop of that stuff in a 5mL togo sprayer (at 40 sprays per fill) will give you about 62.5mcg per spray. So you'll either want to dilute your concentrate more (to say 20 or 30mL), or you'll likely have to dilute the stuff twice into different containers.

On the other hand, if you are using a 30mL sprayer (at 200 sprays per fill), then a single drop of the same 500mg/10mL concentrate as above will give you 12.5mcg per spray, which is a nice dose for testing.

Post: #14

Got it, thanks! Would it be better to dissolve the capsule in 10mL of DPG to make the concentrate and then add 20mL of PA to that? Or is it better to make the concentrate 90% alcohol and 10% DPG?

Post: #15

I'm not really aware of any benefit to doing it one way over the other. Either way should be fine. I've been using oil for my concentrates so it will be easy to make oil-based mixes if I ever want to. Plus I just have a bunch of FCO on hand.

Post: #16

Alright, I'll need to order some DPG. Then I'll let you know how it goes.

Post: #17

I have some 190 proof Everclear on hand, so I'm going to try this with alcohol. I think alcohol will be easier to filter also.

P86 never did much for me, I don't see why people like it so much.

Post: #18

I included Etrione in a successful (if premature) mix with Androstadienone , pregnenolone, and Alpha Androstenol over in this thread: http://pherotruth.com/Thread-Etrione-Mix-1-The-Crush

The effects I attributed to the etrione were:

Quote:everything looked and smelled great tonight. It was like my sense of art appreciation was in hyperdrive and everybody I saw looked like they lived in a painting. Even musty city smells has a kind of pleasant toastiness about them. This effect lasted about 3 hours.

These effects were consistent with those I'd experienced with etrione solo at lower doses. I still need to test this one on its own a few times to get a better sense for other-effects.

Post: #19

Dbot, Have you noticed any pherocrash with this molecule. Most people reported that P86 gave them a huge crash after wearing it for around 2 hours their first few times. I was a newbie(still am when u think about it) when I first tested mx292 and I remember crashing hard the first few times I wore. It was p86 that did it as it turned out later. Just wondered if you saw something like it.

Post: #20

Nope, I haven't had any crashing from etrione yet, nor have I seen any of the sedative effects associated with P86. However, I've really only tried this one solo on a single occasion. Still needs much more testing.

Actually I've been surprised recently how much my tolerance for pheromones in general has improved. Not in the sense that I don't get self-effects -- when I first started out using Pheromones, about half of them would give me a kind of queasy headrush that could last as long as an hour or two. Lately I've been using pretty large doses of some pretty heavy-hitting molecules, and feeling good! Not sure whether I needed some kind of neurological acclimation, or whether it was a psychosomatic effect.